I would not like to categorize any scientist but unfortunately as I was reading it became apparent to me that there are two kinds of scientists.
Plato on Jul 25th, 2006 at 10:27 am
Clifford:
"Seriously his talk is all about the physics of certain type of spacetime singularites-such as the one that live’s in our universe’s past-and whether life can make sense of the idea of space and time coming into being after such a singularity, while not existing prior to that.
You know all roads lead too, out of the box thinking? Reductionist views? Why do them?
So having shown the connection to “what” exists prior, seems like a “controversial point made” and supports the in the box people(Sean Mark Risa, JoAnne)? :) No flights of fantasy, or “ammunition” for distorting reality?
Unless, you are willing to discuss apriore? May Gabriele Veneziano burn in H***?:) or come through “smelling” like roses?"
Of course I should more specific and this is a trait that ruins by assumption on my part, and seems cryptic, which is not my intention.
I am going to show the characteristics as I came to know them from another's perspective, yet, I will go back to 2005 and help to explain myself, and Sean's current article in Scientific Magazine, and what the Shape of space is doing while Sean gives his explanations on the box and his attempts to work outside of it.
Plato on Jul 25th, 2006 at 9:20 pm
Are you a SuperCosmologist? :)
You know what happens when you have to explain yourself?
Well, it could be interpreted that maybe I didn’t understand it at all? Well that’s partially true, and I do know the trouble philosophers have?
Oh your not “obtuse” at all either Clifford.
SuperCosmologists Think Out of the Box Clifford at 1:13 a.m. August 3 2005
Clifford:
Physicist are attracted by the idea of showing that the types of 3+1 dimensional models and equations which regular cosmologists study actually have their origins “outside the box,” in the larger setting….
Better? :)
I just want to point out as well, that I bring two other words forward to be related, and these will be "cave" and "room."
See: What is Dark Matter/Energy?
Exactly what is 'Thinking Outside the Box'?
A reason I often hear for the need for innovation training is to get "our team to think outside the box."
This may come from the person at the top who feels that the quality of solutions or ideas is not great. This stems from frustration. It also comes from people working in teams who feel that the contribution of others is not helping find new and original solutions to the challenges they face.
If you have ever been in this situation, you will know how hard it is to deal with. Perhaps it is best to start with what this term actually means.
I don't know of an official definition for "out of the box" thinking, but here is my perspective starting with "in the box" thinking.
Inside The Box
Thinking inside the box means accepting the status quo. For example, Charles H. Duell, Director of the US Patent Office, said, "Everything that can be invented has been invented." That was in 1899: clearly he was in the box!
In-the-box thinkers find it difficult to recognize the quality of an idea. An idea is an idea. A solution is a solution. In fact, they can be quite pigheaded when it comes to valuing an idea. They rarely invest time to turn a mediocre solution into a great solution.
More importantly, in-the-box thinkers are skillful at killing ideas. They are masters of the creativity killer attitude such as "that'll never work" or "it's too risky." The best in-the-box thinkers are unaware that they drain the enthusiasm and passion of innovative thinkers while they kill their innovative ideas.
They also believe that every problem needs only one solution; therefore, finding more than one possible solution is a waste of time. They often say, "There is no time for creative solutions. We just need THE solution."
Even great creative people can become in-the-box thinkers when they stop trying. Apathy and indifference can turn an innovator into an in-the-box thinker.
In only one case is in-the-box thinking necessary. This comes from a cartoon: a man talks to his cat and points to the kitty litter box. He says, "Never ever think outside the box!"
Outside the Box
Thinking outside the box requires different attributes that include:
* Willingness to take new perspectives to day-to-day work.
* Openness to do different things and to do things differently.
* Focusing on the value of finding new ideas and acting on them.
* Striving to create value in new ways.
* Listening to others.
* Supporting and respecting others when they come up with new ideas.
Out-of-the box thinking requires an openness to new ways of seeing the world and a willingness to explore. Out-of-the box thinkers know that new ideas need nurturing and support. They also know that having an idea is good but acting on it is more important. Results are what count.
Stereotyping
Now as you can see, this aspect and characterization is not really fair, and it would be as if John Baez assigned crackpot status according to the degrees on which we can measure another human being and their worth? Or that Peter Woit's string versus Non string in the index, can be shown to be, "IN the box people" and "out of the box people."
But I am going to be more specific in that the room, box, or cave asks that you consider this POV :) from "outside the box." If you had thought Boltzman in this regard to the box, well, that's okay.
Supercosmologists, think "outside the box."
Now what exactly does this mean, and the frame of reference to a coordinate x'y'z' is unmistakable is it not? Now surely one begins to see the light, and what has contained in the thinking mind, to a cosmologist's view, that there is only a beginning, and an end, and nothing before, or after?
Well I am going to tell you that there are super cosmologists that do think outside the box. Beyond entropic valuations and arrow of time, and what pray tell could ever convince you that if the very idea of the future could be contained in the consciousness, what saids this cannot be expressed in the very universe?
So you see, I am at an advantage, whether this just a thought experiment, or something that can be added to Sean Carroll's view to the universe, it is with some regard that I should also enlighten those who understand that "the valley" and what is contained in the genus figure, are the mappings of these figures, as they come to represent the very universe that could be expressed, as we look to ask what the shape of space is, in the expression of any multiversity created as in those baby universes.
So you get the sense then, that the false vacuum is "self apparent" as one sees the mountains can turn into valleys, and the the valleys, are a result of a much higher principal.:)